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{{permprot}}

== PP? ==

What does the "pp" stand for? <sub>└</sub><sup>'''[[User:Jared|<font color="#0084C9">Jared</font>]]'''</sup><sub>┘</sub><sup>┌</sup><sub>''[[User talk:Jared|<font color="#009E49">talk</font>]]''</sub><sup>┐</sup>&ensp; 00:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''p'''rotected '''p'''age <sub>→[[User:AzaToth|<span style="color:#773">Aza</span>]][[User_talk:AzaToth|<span style="color:#359">Toth</span>]]</sub> 02:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==Translation please?==
"'''This page is currently protected from editing because lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.'''" What the hell?! What does "lorem ipsum dolor sit amet" mean?! --'''[[User:Reaper_X|<font color="#000000"> Reaper</font>]] [[User talk:Reaper_X|<font color="#ff0000"> X</font>]]''' 03:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

:I know it's a bit of a late reply, but... → [[Lorem ipsum]].  &mdash; <tt>[[User:Madman|madman]] [[User talk:Madman|bum and angel]]</tt> 16:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

== Protection templates, new style ==

The [[Wikipedia:Article message boxes]] project has now changed and standardised the styles for most of the message boxes that goes on article pages. We are now planning to change the [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Maintenance#Protected articles, pages and images|protection templates]] to have a matching look when on article pages. But they will keep their old look when they appear anywhere else.

Here is an example of the new look. (Note: Exact colour for the left-side colour bar is not yet decided, and we will of course have the old full text in them, this is just a short example.)

{| class="ambox" style="border-left:10px solid #bba;"
| class="mbox-image" | [[File:Padlock-silver-slash.svg|40px]]
| '''Editing of this page by unregistered or newly registered users is currently disabled.'''
|}

Any input is welcome, see discussion and more examples at [[Wikipedia talk:Article message boxes#Protection Templates]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Article message boxes#Next steps]]. 

--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] 02:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Move of documentation to /doc page ==

I have created a [[/doc]] subpage for this template to separate the docs from the template code to make further editing easier. I have used the old method (that had consensus) described at [[Wikipedia:Template documentation]] before that page got heavily reworked yesterday.

I have chosen to start out with this protection template since it is not used on as many pages as the other protection templates. So if we screw up we don't cause so much damage. I have tested the changes I suggest here in my own sandbox in my own user space.

{{tl|editprotected}}

To make the /doc page work the following changes needs to be done to this template:

1. Remove the noinclude with the pp-template from the first line of code. It is added in the end instead, see below. Make the first line look like this:

<source lang="xml">
{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}{{{expiry|ʁ}}}|yesʁ
</source>

2. Remove the documentation from the template and make the lines from the end table tag to the end of the page look like this: 

<source lang="xml">
</table>
}}<includeonly>[[Category:Protected|{{PAGENAME}}]]{{
#ifexpr:
  {{#if:{{{expiry|}}}
    | {{#time:U|today}}>{{#time:U|{{{expiry}}}}} 
    | 0 
  }}
| [[Category:Protected pages with expiry expired|{{PAGENAME}}]]
}}</includeonly><noinclude>

{{pp-template|small=yes}}
{{template doc}}
<!-- Add categories and inter-wikis to the /doc subpage, not here! -->
</noinclude>
</source>

That's all.

--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] 14:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:done. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 14:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== Link from small version ==

Currently points to [[Wikipedia: Protection policy]], I would like to suggest [[Wikipedia:This page is protected]]. —[[User talk:Random832|Random832]] 18:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Changes ==

How about changing the image for the new images for [[WP:Access|Accessibility]].  ~~'''Awsome''' [[User:ebe123|<span style="color:#21421E;font-weight:bold">EBE123</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ebe123|<span style="color:#0000FF">talk</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ebe123|Contribs]]</sub> 19:02, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

=== Edit request from Ebe123, 24 March 2011 ===

{{tlx|edit protected}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Changing the images to the current version for [[Wikipedia:Accessability]]

<!-- End request -->
~~'''Awesome''' [[User:ebe123|<span style="color:#21421E;font-weight:bold">EBE123</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ebe123|<span style="color:#0000FF">talk</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ebe123|Contribs]]</sub> 20:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:You're going to have to explain what you mean, and then get a consensus for change. Regards &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

{{tld|editprotected}}
Go to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#WP:Accessability]]  ~~[[User:ebe123|<span style="color:#21421E;font-weight:bold">EBE123</span>]]~~ <sup>[[User talk:Ebe123|<span style="color:#0000FF">talk</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ebe123|Contribs]]</sub> 22:53, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:{{not done}} Come back when you have consensus... [[Special:Contributions/Gfoley4|—]]<u>[[User:Gfoley4|<span style="color:darkseagreen;font-family:Tahoma;"><big>G</big>FOLEY</span>]] [[User talk:Gfoley4|''<span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Tahoma"><big>F</big>OUR</span>'']]</u>— 05:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

== Grammatical problem ==

I saw a sample of the use of this template and it said "because" followed by the reason, while "because of" would be correct grammar in the sample used.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 22:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

== Edit request on 25 August 2013 ==

{{edit protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Change:
<pre><nowiki>|small={{{small|}}}
|demospace={{{demospace|}}}</nowiki></pre>
To:
<pre><nowiki>|small={{{small|}}}
|right={{{right|}}}
|demospace={{{demospace|}}}</nowiki></pre>
This allows use of the new pp-meta parameter.
<!-- End request -->
[[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 19:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 7 June 2014 ==

{{edit protected|Template:Pp-protected|answered=y}}
<!-- Begin request -->
[[Malaysia Airlines Flight 370]] - This page may be vandalised, which is not a good thing as it may be offensive. It will be good if it is semi-protected. [[User:Nahnah4|<small><span style="color:red">Nahnah4</span></small>]] | [[User talk:Nahnah4|<span style="color:blue">Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nahnah4|<span style="color:green">No Editcountitis!</span>]] 09:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
:Please ask at [[WP:RFPP]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:22, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

== Proposal to convert this template to Lua ==

There is currently a proposal to convert this and other protection templates to Lua at [[Module talk:Protection banner#Proposal to convert all protection templates to use this module]]. Please join this discussion over there if you are interested. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 23:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

== Page status indicators ==

FYI: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Page_status_indicators <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] &bull; [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]]</span> 23:15, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
:I know. They're not stable yet, but once they are, I'll work on converting to use them. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 23:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/2.27.191.227|2.27.191.227]] ([[User talk:2.27.191.227|talk]]) 10:59, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

== Red padlock ==

I'm trying to produce a red padlock on a page such as [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]] (which seems to fit as "permanent full protection"). What parameters are needed to do this? Thanks &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:31, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
:This is the test:
<pre>
                        (
			namespace == 10
			or namespace == 828
			or reason and obj._cfg.indefImageReasons[reason]
			)
			and action == 'edit'
			and level == 'sysop'
			and not protectionObj:isTemporary()
</pre>
:The first two check for templates and modules, which [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]] isn't, so it needs to satisfy the third, which is kinda obscure. I've decided that it's somehow set by [[Module:Protection banner/config]], which only mentions indefImageReasons once, and it helps not at all. Anyway, is a red lock important? I managed to display a gold one. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:10, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
::''indefImageReasons'' is obviously about protection of images so probably not relevant to [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]]. I'm not sure of the exact difference between the gold lock and the red lock. Do we even need to distinguish between them? According to the [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|protection policy]], [[WP:REDLOCK]] is for ''pages that should not be modified for copyright or legal reasons'' which this page seems to fall under. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:15, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I don't think that indefImageReasons is about protection of images; I think that it's to do with the padlock image to be displayed. If you look at the very bottom of [[Module:Protection banner/config]], you'll see code that sets two image filenames, one of these is <code>['image-filename-indef'] = 'Padlock-red.svg',</code> - if you search for <code>image-filename-indef</code> in the same page, there is code like this:
<pre>
-- Pages with a reason specified in this table will show the special "indef"
-- padlock, defined in the 'image-filename-indef' message, if no expiry is set.
indefImageReasons = {
	template = true
},
</pre>
:::so <code>indefImageReasons</code> has something to do with it. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:01, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
::::{{ul|Mr. Stradivarius}}, {{ul|Jackmcbarn}}: can we get some advice on this please? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the red lock is kind of pointless and poorly specified as it exists now. Perhaps we should completely replace it with the gold one. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 17:07, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::That sounds like a reasonable idea. I'll open a thread at [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::'''Keep''' the red for "permanently" protected pages and '''use gold''' for indef-but-not-permanently-protected pages.  Now, what do we do about pages that are "indef-protected" but which are not "permanently" protected?  My recommendation:  If you see a an indef-protected page that isn't "forever" change the protection to expire "a long time from now (such as 2099-12-31)" and slap a gold lock on it.  If you see an indef-protected page that IS "forever, at least as far as the eye can see" slap a red lock on it and put a note in the edit summary explaining why (or un- and re-protect the page and put the note in the protection log).  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:54, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::But what exactly is the difference? At the moment, a "permanently protected" page seems to be defined as one that has full edit protection and is either a template or a module. There are also two somewhat-obscure rules, the lines <code>reason and obj._cfg.indefImageReasons[reason]</code> and <code>not protectionObj:isTemporary()</code> in the test above, which neither {{user|Mr. Stradivarius}} nor {{user|Jackmcbarn}} (they being the people who made all but four edits to [[Module:Protection banner]]) seem willing to explain properly. Those two rules aside, why is an indef-full-protected template described as "permanently" protected, whereas a page in another namespace, which should rarely (or never) be altered because of legal implications (such as [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]], [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] or [[Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License]]) apparently is ''not'' permanently protected? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:34, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The definition of permanent protection can be found at [[Wikipedia:Protection policy#Permanent protection]].  If the definition needs to be changed or the "vague" areas clarified (what exactly does "frequently" transcluded mean?), we can discuss it at its talk page.  The padlock templates and their use should reflect what's on the policy page.  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 23:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|Redrose64}} [[Module:Protection banner]] only does red locks the way it does because that's what the previous non-module system did. It really wasn't our decision at all. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 23:59, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::But why won't you explain exactly what those two lines ''actually do''? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 08:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::<code>reason and obj._cfg.indefImageReasons[reason]</code> specifies that there is a reason and that that reason is present in the indefImageReasons config table. That table only contains a key of "template", so the code effectively checks whether <code>reason</code> is equal to "template". (The <code>reason and</code> part is only necessary because if the <code>reason</code> variable does not have a value set, trying to look it up in the table will cause an error.) <code>not protectionObj:isTemporary()</code> negates the result of <code>Protection:isTemporary()</code>, which in turn checks whether <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> has a numerical value. The code that sets the expiry is fairly complex. Here is the code block:
<source lang="lua">
	-- Set expiry
	local effectiveExpiry = effectiveProtectionExpiry(obj.action, obj.title)
	if effectiveExpiry == 'infinity' then
		obj.expiry = 'indef'
	elseif effectiveExpiry ~= 'unknown' then
		obj.expiry = validateDate(effectiveExpiry, 'expiry date')
	elseif args.expiry then
		if cfg.indefStrings[args.expiry] then
			obj.expiry = 'indef'
		elseif type(args.expiry) == 'number' then
			obj.expiry = args.expiry
		else
			obj.expiry = validateDate(args.expiry, 'expiry date')
		end
	end
</source>
::::::::::The reason for the complexity is that we use <code><nowiki>{{PROTECTIONEXPIRY}}</nowiki></code>, which has recently been enabled on this wiki, and to make it easier to use from Lua, [[User:Cenarium|Cenarium]] has created [[Module:Effective protection expiry]]. Effectively, if <code><nowiki>{{PROTECTIONEXPIRY}}</nowiki></code> returns "infinity", then <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> is set to "indef". If it's a date, then <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> is set to that date as a number in Unix time. If the expiry is unknown - which at the moment means that the page is unprotected or under pending changes protection - then {{para|expiry}} is checked, and if it's a value similar to "indef" then <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> is set to "indef", and if it's a date, then <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> is set to that date as a number in Unix time. If the expiry is unknown and there is no {{para|expiry}} parameter, then <code>protectionObj.expiry</code> will be <code>nil</code>. So essentially, <code>not protectionObj:isTemporary()</code> checks whether we were not able to find an expiry date, either from <code><nowiki>{{PROTECTIONEXPIRY}}</nowiki></code> or from {{para|expiry}}. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 11:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The distinction between indef and permanent is too vague and will be lost on most people (myself included). I really see no advantage in distinguishing between the two. The fantastically weird hacks with the expiry dates suggested by davidwr will overcomplicate things for no benefit. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:09, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::You make some valid points, but any discussion to treat "permanently protected" pages differently than they are now (e.g. changing the padlock color from red to gold) needs to happen at [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]].  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 14:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::That's why I attempted to initiate a discussion on [[Wikipedia talk:Protection policy]] a few days ago but you turned up here instead ;) &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Just to follow up on this, the red padlock is now history. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

== Upload protection ==
[[File:Padlock-purple.svg|right]]
Is there any banner to indicate that a file has upload protection, e.g. {{para|action|upload}}? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:Not at the moment, at least as far as banners that use [[Module:Protection banner]]. In theory it shouldn't be too hard to add support for <code>action=upload</code> to the module, but it would require a few coding changes. For example, at the moment, the <code>Protection.supportedActions</code> table in the module only contains "edit", "move", and "autoreview". I'm pretty sure all of the padlock templates around on Wikipedia use the module, although there might be other non-padlock templates that check for upload protection. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 10:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::I'm not aware of any templates for upload protection either. I've just checked and PROTECTIONLEVEL does recognise ''upload'' as an action, so it should be possible to detect automatically. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's available in Scribunto's [[mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title objects|title.protectionLevels]] as well, so that part wouldn't be a problem. Do you know if there are any other requests for this, by the way? It strikes me that we should probably find out whether people want it before working out how to implement it. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 12:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::::I am not aware of any other requests for this functionality. I just came across an image with the wrong template, and I couldn't find any suitable to replace it with. It might be interesting to find out how many images are upload-protected but not edit-protected, to see if the distinction is likely to be useful or not. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:29, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::::I've just had a look and the purple padlock only seems to be generated by one template: {{tl|protected generic image name}}, and this template has no automatic detection code. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:34, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Mr. Stradivarius}} How about this purple padlock option? I've just upload-protected [[:File:Suffolk University.jpg]] and I would like to indicate this somehow on the file page. Cheers &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|MSGJ}} Any preferences for a template name? I'm thinking [[Template:Pp-upload]] would probably be a sensible choice. Also, should the template be small by default, or should it be a banner unless you add {{para|small|yes}}? — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 01:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I've gone ahead and added the code to the module sandbox. You can test it by previewing {{tl|pp-upload}} on upload-protected files. Feel free  to tweak the banner wording - you can find the bolded text at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Protection_banner/config/sandbox&action=edit#mw-ce-l417 line 417 of the config sandbox], and the body at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Protection_banner/config/sandbox&action=edit#mw-ce-l520 line 520]. Also, I chose to call the category [[:Category:Wikipedia upload-protected files]], but we can use a different name if you would prefer. And it's not small by default, but that can be changed as well. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 06:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. I have tested it on [[:File:Suffolk University.jpg]] and it seems to be working well. I suggest keeping it large by default. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I've now added upload support to the main module, and switched over {{tl|pp-upload}} to use it. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 13:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Great, thank you. Can [[Template:Pp-generic-image]] be incorporated at all? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::[[Template:Keep local high-risk]] is another one. It would be good if these could be incorporated so they automatically detect the type of protection (upload or edit) &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:44, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|Mr. Stradivarius}} can you clarify whether these other templates can be incorporated into the module so that they can auto-detect protection level? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|MSGJ}} Sorry for the late reply. Yes, they can be incorporated - it is "just" a matter of updating [[Module:Protection banner/config|the config module]]. You need to add entries for the templates in the "wrappers" table, giving them a suitable first positional parameter (the protection reason). Then you need to add an entry for that reason to the "upload" subtable of the "banners" table. Then you need to create the template page with <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:protection banner|main}}</nowiki></code>. That should be all that's necessary. Actually, try it with the [[Module:Protection banner/config/sandbox|config sandbox]] first (so the template code would be <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:protection banner/sandbox|main}}</nowiki></code>). Then you'll be able to see how things work without worrying about messing up the live templates. I'll set up the main module sandbox to point to the config sandbox instead of the main config so that it will work. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 12:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== Protected images ==

This template populates [[:Category:Protected images]]. I'm just wondering if it should be called [[:Category:Wikipedia protected files]] as I assume non-image files would also go into this category. Also the "Wikipedia" should probably be added for consistency &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
:Listed at CfD, please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 March 9]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== Extended confirmed protection ==

[[File:Padlock-blue.svg|50px|right]]
Could one of our Lua magicians add a padlock for the new [[WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED]] protection? We'll want to use the blue padlock as seen on the right.

Our other padlocks link to whichever section in [[WP:PROTECT]], but this form of protection as I understand is only to be used on pages under discretionary sanctions? {{strike|If so I think we should link to [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions]]}} ([[WP:30/500]] will do). We'll also want to add the categories [[:Category:Wikipedia pages under discretionary sanctions]] and I guess [[:Category:Wikipedia pages under 30-500 editing restriction]]. Pinging recent contributors {{ping|MSGJ|Mr. Stradivarius|Jackmcbarn|p=}} <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 04:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
:I guess this might require a little discussion. Just figured we could add something, since we already have a handful of pages under this protection, enforced by [[Special:AbuseFilter/698]]. The padlock used on those pages is {{tl|pp-30-500}}, which I suppose we'll want to rewrite to use this module, just as we do with {{tl|pp-blp}}, etc. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 04:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
::We'll need to add a reason to the module as well. And shouldn't the edit filter be disabled since we already have flags for that purpose. Also, should we add the template to the TW module? --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|QEDK]] <small>([[User talk:QEDK|<span style="color:orange">T</span>]] &#9749; [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|<span style="color:green">C</span>]])</small></span> 06:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
:::The reason should be along the lines of "discretionary sanctions", if that's what you mean. And yeah, I've got a lot of Twinkle work to do! The filter will be disabled once we get everything else ironed out. I'm not sure the new user group has even finished populating to all qualified users <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 14:56, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
:This module contains calls to the protected edit request templates/modules, so we should probably get those updated before this. I'll start on that now. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 17:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, everywhere else should be done now. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 19:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Is the Lua module not updated yet, or did no one change {{Tl|Pp-30-500}} to have <nowiki>{{#invoke:Protection banner|main}}</nowiki>? [[User:Datbubblegumdoe|Datbubblegumdoe]]<sup>[''[[User talk:Datbubblegumdoe|talk]] – [[Special:Contributions/Datbubblegumdoe|contribs]]'']</sup> 22:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:For the record, the 30-500 category was renamed to [[:Category:Wikipedia extended-confirmed-protected pages]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 19:42, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

== Double padlocks etc. questions ==

In case of pages with 2 kinds of protection, why don't both show up? Also, why did the padlock change in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:User_pages&diff=next&oldid=718035480 this case]. --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|<span style="color:#93f">QEDK</span>]] <small>([[User talk:QEDK|<span style="color:#c60">T</span>]] <span style="color:#6F4E37">&#9749;</span> [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|<span style="color:#060">C</span>]])</small></span> 05:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:Moved to VPT. --<span style="font-family:'Tahoma',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|<span style="color:#93f">QEDK</span>]] <small>([[User talk:QEDK|<span style="color:#c60">T</span>]] <span style="color:#6F4E37">&#9749;</span> [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|<span style="color:#060">C</span>]])</small></span> 19:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

== New reason proposal ==

Hello, I have a new suggestion for a reason proposal. I have been loooking for a bit, and I figured that a disruptive editing reason should be added (because the two main causes of semi-protection is either vandalism or disruptive editing. It would be great for this to be added, as there are a high amount of articles being protected from disruptive editing (I'm not too sure if vandalism and disruptive editing mean the same thing, or if they both have the same point). If you could consider the option for disruptive editing as a reason for this heavy used template, that would be great. Thank you, and have a good day. --[[User:Redolta|<font color="red">'''Red'''</font><font color="black">'''olta'''</font>]] [[User talk:Redolta|(talk)]] 01:58, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Redolta}} See [[WP:DE]] and [[WP:VAND]]. Vandalism is a special case of disruptive editing: the difference is basically one of intent. But this is the wrong page to discuss extension of reasons for protection: the {{tlx|pp}} template merely reflects the current protection of a page which was protected in accordance with [[WP:PROT]], so, a far better place to discuss changing the policy would be [[WT:PROT]] or even [[WP:VPP]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:22, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, thank you for the explanation. I now understand. [[User:Redolta|<font color="red">'''Red'''</font><font color="black">'''olta'''</font>]] [[User talk:Redolta|(talk)]] 13:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Default of banner ==

I always find it strange that the default on these protection templates is to have a big banner. In fact literally 4541 out of the 4542 instances of transclusion of {{t|pp}} had small = yes/y ([https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Pp])The one instance where it was used, I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timmy_Mallett&diff=830684010&oldid=825705807&diffmode=source boldly changed] as I was quite sure that wasn't the intention of the protecting admin. Instead of having {{para|small|yes}}, I'm proposing to have {{para|banner|yes}} and the default to be a padlock. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 10:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Am I imagining things... ==

...or does the presence of this template still on an article *after* semi-protection has expired mean it can't be edited by an unregistered user?  I had a look at [[Fabinho (footballer, born 1993)]] on my mobile phone, on which I never sign into my account, and noticed the edit icon on the top right still contained the padlock.  After [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fabinho_(footballer,_born_1993)&diff=843732639&oldid=843572044 removing it] (while logged in from my computer) as the protection expired hours ago, I'm now able to edit the article from my phone as an unregistered user.  And, as if by magic, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fabinho_(footballer,_born_1993)&diff=843733430&oldid=843732639 an unregistered user made an unsourced edit to the article] minutes after I removed the icon.  And no, it wasn't me!  If anyone wants to test this on their phone, try [[2018 FIA Formula 3 European Championship]], which also has had its protection expire, has the template and won't allow mobile editing.  Any help/clarification would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Mattythewhite|Mattythewhite]] ([[User talk:Mattythewhite|talk]]) 03:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:Actually, it could be that my IP address has been caught up in a range block... [[User:Mattythewhite|Mattythewhite]] ([[User talk:Mattythewhite|talk]]) 03:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Mattythewhite}} The protection notice/icon templates such as {{tlx|pp}} are just that, notices and icons. Their presence or absence has no effect whatsoever on the actual protection level of a page. The only other purpose of these template is categorisation: when used on a protected page, that page might be categorised in {{cl|Wikipedia semi-protected pages}} (or similar); but when used on a non-protected page, it will be placed in {{cl|Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates}}. If a protection expires, but the icon is still displayed, the most likely cause is caching. There are one or two bots that look for pp templates that are used on unprotected pages, and remove them; these bots are not infallible, and pages that are missed are usually picked up by myself or {{user|MarnetteD}} within a few days. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Mattythewhite}} the one thing I would add to Redrose64's post is that the removal of a padlock by a bot or either one of us can be delayed by quite some time. I have seen articles that didn't show up in {{cl|Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates}} until days, weeks or months after a protection had expired. I just noticed this thread [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Change coming to MonoBook skin for mobile users]] I don't know if it is related to what you experienced but I thought I would make you aware of it just in case. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 14:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's the same issue, the icons mentioned at that VPT thread are the ones that replace tabs such as "Talk", "Edit", "History" and so on. I also don't think it's the same issue as [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 162#MediaWiki bug - undoing a protection]] although there are similarities. I think that caching is the most likely. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the followup info {{u|Redrose64}}. Cheers. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 22:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 26 February 2019 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Pp|answered=y}}
You may also request that this page be unprotected. ----> You may also request that this page to be unprotected. ___''[[User:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA</em>]]<small>[[User talk:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|'''<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk</em>''']]</small>'' 22:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> It's correct as it stands. Your proposal is bad grammar. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{ec}} - what Redrose64 said - but with a pointer to the [[English subjunctive|subjunctive]]. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 22:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

== Is there a bot to fix missing instances of this template? ==

It seems like something that should exist, but if it does, it may have stopped working; I noticed that [[Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/2]], which has been protected since 2018, is missing it. Pinging {{u|Redrose64}}, since you seem to be active with this sort of thing. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 21:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:Protection templates are optional, not mandatory. They are merely informative, and the prot is just as effective with or without the icon. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Redrose64}} Interesting; I didn't know it was optional. But since it's so unobtrusive, I'd think we'd ideally want it on all protected pages. I'll start a BOTREQ and see where the discussion goes. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 09:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

== Parameter for subpage of protected talk pages ==

Several protected talk pages have a subpage for users who can't edit due to the protection. See e.g. [[WT:About]] or [[User talk:Jimbo wales]]. In those instances, we should be able to use this template (as at e.g. [[WT:Contents]], where there's no subpage). Could we add a parameter that'd allow specification of the subpage? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:17, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

== Transcluded trailing space? ==

There seems to be a trailing space after the </noinclude> tag in this template, which inserts a space wherever this is included. Where the page is a partial markup template (for instance [[Template:F1R2020]]) this space can break the behaviour of the template. Is there a reason not to remove this space or bring it inside the noinclude tags? Otherwise you have to have a second set of noinclude tags around the template at point of inclusion where this is an issue. [[User:Bigbluefish|Bigbluefish]] ([[User talk:Bigbluefish|talk]]) 14:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{tlx|pp}} is being misused - it is redundant because {{tlx|documentation}} handles any prot icon that may be appropriate. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)